tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6522530.post1766063752355684786..comments2023-08-22T10:11:00.147-04:00Comments on DEAF IN THE CITY: JRShttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02485752215710916988noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6522530.post-90423441914280823902010-01-21T03:00:54.150-05:002010-01-21T03:00:54.150-05:00great thing i've found this,
thanksgreat thing i've found this,<br />thanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6522530.post-39063565129517588372008-06-09T12:34:00.000-04:002008-06-09T12:34:00.000-04:00The sign WITH with extended thumb may have derived...The sign WITH with extended thumb may have derived from old LSF classifier for "one person", the thumb being this entity. The ASL sign COMMUTE/BACK-AND-FORTH shows this use of the old LSF classifier handshape. The extended thumb version of the sign WITH ist also frequently used today.<BR/><BR/>Laurent Clerc must have fingerspelled "A" with the thumb extended, but his pupils have changed it to the today's version because it is phonologically easier and less straining to do than so. Not only the handshape for the letter "A" has changed, but others as well, for example for "F" and "T". Also another change must have occured, that is how you hold your hand while fingerspelling. Today's lower arm position is vertical, while earlier in France it was lower and somewhat horizontal. This must be due to keep all articulators (face and hand) within the same vision field.<BR/><BR/>HartmutAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6522530.post-19154003236506282092006-11-23T08:09:00.000-05:002006-11-23T08:09:00.000-05:00you can get one of those night lites at target and...you can get one of those night lites at target and plug it in the car..it works well in my toyota.<br />of course, you still need to keep your eyes on the road.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6522530.post-2856352801076878572006-11-22T00:10:00.000-05:002006-11-22T00:10:00.000-05:00Queen Alpo - what do you mean by "successful deaf ...Queen Alpo - what do you mean by "successful deaf people?" Clerc set up the first school for Deaf people in 1817. Compare this to other minorities - The first woman became a doctor in 1849. Girton College for Women was set up in 1870. The first school for Black people was est. in 1837. This is probably closer to the Deaf experience, because like the Deaf school's aim was to teach people to write and speak, so too was the Black college's goal to teach freed slaves to read and write. It's only in recent years that all these institutions have begun to open up to identity issues as well as educational issues - and then these identity issues feed back into education. <br /><br />Before the Clerc/Gallaudet saga - before 1817 - America was established in 1776. People came from Spain, France, England, and the Netherlands. Presumably any signed languages came from Deaf individuals who came from those countries. This would be a tiny group... but I suspect pre-1817 Signed languages were derivations from these countries, as well as (of course) native American tribes and their individual signed languages. <br /><br />Purloined - it seems that Martha's Vineyard Sign Language was derived from Old Kent Sign Language, a British signed language from the town of Kent which is now, apparently, extinct. I'm not sure how good the research is here, but I suspect over time MVSL was absorbed into ASL, or vice versa. Langugages blend, you know, like smoothies.JRShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02485752215710916988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6522530.post-55841100729781929392006-11-21T13:50:00.000-05:002006-11-21T13:50:00.000-05:00What an interesting discussion!
Hearing instructo...What an interesting discussion!<br /><br />Hearing instructors of Deaf pupils did write about pedagogy and language in the antebellum period and did discuss how to sign particular words--partly in an effort to teach hearing parents how to communicate with their deaf children before they enrolled in schools. While that kind of source does not tell us exactly what Deaf people actually USED, it is somewhat suggestive. Perhaps that could help you find some answers?<br /><br />I seem to recall reading descriptions of WITH having the thumbs pointing straight up. I'll see if I can find anything and let you know.<br /><br />What if Clerc idiosyncratically signed his As with the thumb closed in a bit? Or what if he just had a hurt thumb while he was teaching Gallaudet? Something as simple as this might have recast codified fingerspelling. Kind of a bizarre thought.<br /><br />There is some information about Deaf Virginians using a two-handed alphabet into the mid 1850s. Perhaps this is a vestige from the Bolling school?<br /><br />Does the Martha's Vineyard research suggest much about specific language use before Clerc?Hannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09543197858284977937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6522530.post-48854028314372673732006-11-21T13:04:00.000-05:002006-11-21T13:04:00.000-05:00A friend and I were discussing this the other day ...A friend and I were discussing this the other day -- if there were successful deaf people in America before the l'Epee/Clerc/Gallaudet saga, what sign language did they use? Would it still be French-influenced?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com